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Post by fastpitcher on May 30, 2007 23:47:13 GMT -5
I would first like to interject about who I am. I am a fan, in the truest sense of the word. I do not know anybody on any team, have a relative on any team, or any other connection to a team. I enjoy watching football. I think rrarey seems to have the most prescient points of this discussion. What it comes down to is focus of the different organizations. The commissioner of the EFL stated something to the effect that his teams want summers off, whether it be due to heat or time with families. To modify that would go against the ideals of their organization. The NWFL seems to have more players and teams desiring to play in national tournaments. Those tournaments correspond with their schedule. To modify their schedule would perhaps go against the ideals of the league. The previous sentence was pure speculation on my part. People on both sides seem to want the other side to acquiesce with the other and meet half way. Meeting half way potentially makes both sides go against their stated or unstated league principles. Players and or teams need to find which league or leagues is or are best for them and fits their lifestyle. People seem to be looking at this as an us against them and they other guys aren't willing to budge. When in reality nobody seems to want to stick it to anybody, they just want a venue to play in that meets the needs of their team.
As a fan I personally like the different leagues. I don't get to a whole bunch of games but attend 3 or 4 a season. This year I was able to catch 2 Lakewood Wolves games and may take in a Valley Mustang game. In the summer I'll attend 2 to3 Jags games with perhaps a Bengals game as well. I have no allegiance to any team. In some respects I'd think a mega league would be cool. But on the other hand it would have to be with divisions of talent, much like European soccer. A top Northwest division with the top 8 or so teams and divisions underneath. When a team wins a lower division they must play in the next highest league. A team that finishes last moves down. I say this because their is perhaps nothing more interminable than a one sided semi pro football game. The talent needs to be compressed. I would have the Stallions start at the bottom. Win their league and move up. That being said it would involve again a change in ideals from either the NWFL or the GNFA. Unfortunately, in my observation the GNFA holds the cards in all this. They are set up as the larger organization and superficially appear to have a clearer vision or at least a more defined vision. It is not my intent to bash the NWFL because the league has provided me with many great memories of childhood attending PC Bengal games in Lincoln Bowl. If a couple of less successful NWFL teams were to transfer organizations (again I do not know the ease with which that could be done and/or whether a team wants to) and join either the PNFC or the OFL a mega league is within reach.
To reiterate I enjoy the different leagues because I have a longer window to attend games. A mega league would involve changing of a leagues vision and ideals and more likely a submission to the other organizational vision.
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Post by justjohn on May 31, 2007 0:30:16 GMT -5
THE GNFA WAS NOT IN EXISTANCE WHEN THE STALLIONS PLAYED THE KNIGHTS LAST YEAR. THE STALLIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN OR WILL BE A PART OF THE GNFA. THE GNFA WAS NOT PUT INTO EXISTENCE UNTIL WELL AFTER THAT GAME!!! Now, should you need interpetation I'd be glad to assist you with that. Bottom line is you pick and choose what you read so I'm done with that. Congrats, you are a master of the obvious. The PNFC allowed a team to "stack" for their league championship game one season before the GNFA was created and that is not an issue. Yet, defunct NWFL teams allegedly stacked (still no specific allegations) years, or even decades, before the GNFA was created and you feel the need to bring it up over and over and over. Talk about picking and choosing...
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Post by justjohn on May 31, 2007 0:40:00 GMT -5
Understood, BUT John keeps saying that the Stallions played in the GNFA game last year... Nope. Not once. Not intentionally anyway. They played in the PNFC championship game and then the PNFC helped form the GNFA. It's just evidence to support this statement: excuse #1) The GNFA won't consider the NWFL because the schedules are different. DEBUNKEDexcuse #2) The GNFA won't consider the NWFL because of allegations of stacking teams. DEBUNKEDMind you, I've never really advocated the NWFL joining the GNFA. I couldn't care less. I have pushed for more interleague games. I'm just trying to understand the holes in their explanations. I like what the GNFA is doing because they are finding a true champion, for the spring leagues involved. I've openly expressed similar sentiments on the GNFA, PNFC and EFL message boards.
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Post by justjohn on May 31, 2007 0:46:08 GMT -5
From what I gathered over time reading from message board posts and websites is that the 3 local spring leagues goal is to play for fun and have their best 3 teams go on to play in a mini-tournament for a spring NW trophy. These leagues do not want to go national because all national tournaments basically are in late summer or early fall. They don’t want to wait around for months. That makes sense but it's not the main reason you'll find on their message boards. They are very open about their beliefs that their NW championship is "real" and any national championship is "mythical".
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jdisney
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Hunker Down!!!
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Post by jdisney on May 31, 2007 0:51:41 GMT -5
You talkin' to me? Yeah but not just you! That was for everyone still dragging this crap on. Let it go! It's not goona happen. But what is going to happen is June 9th the NWFL starts it's season and several teams in it are looking for a national title!!!
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The week off was good...Now back to da Grind!!!
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Post by nick on May 31, 2007 0:52:57 GMT -5
Thats whats up...How did it go tonight J, PM me.
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Post by mj55 on May 31, 2007 2:19:00 GMT -5
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They are very open about their beliefs that their NW championship is "real" and any national championship is "mythical". [/quote]
John- Can you do everyone a favor? Re-read every single post on this or any other message board, and quote someone saying they believe "their NW Championship is real, and National Championships are mythical" I have read them all, and have never seen anyone from any other league say such a thing. What I have seen is them making claim that they will crown a true "NW Spring League Champion" any moron knows they won't be a NW Champion because not all leagues in the NW are involved (NWFL).
Don't you have better things to do than continually trying to stir up the BS on the board? I know you may have ill feelings after the GNFA and EFL guys banned you from their boards, but maybe after reading your posts they had good reason to do so.
Let it die, it ain't going to happen, but if you want to keep it going, at least make truthful statements when you bash on our brother leagues.
MJ
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Post by Vizzini on May 31, 2007 8:02:27 GMT -5
MJ, I'm sure John is going to correct you. There was a thread on this board about the different national championships. There were some people who responded to the "National Champ" title as "mythical", as you call it. There were some who said a NW championship matter, and not a national title.
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Post by justjohn on May 31, 2007 12:22:32 GMT -5
John- Can you do everyone a favor? Re-read every single post on this or any other message board, and quote someone saying they believe "their NW Championship is real, and National Championships are mythical" Here's one. www.leaguelineup.com/forumsdetail.asp?sid=958216057&url=gnfa&itemid=2086959I know you may have ill feelings after the GNFA and EFL guys banned you from their boards, Nope. It's not a big deal. It reflects more on their reading comprehension abilities and intolerance than it does on me. I'm not sure if I'm annoyed or humored by them misrepresenting the content of the thread - which was nothing more than a positive discussion encouraging more interleague play. I will continue support the PNFC/EFL/GNFA despite the juvenile actions of a few people. Through the years the NWFL has had it's share of knuckleheads too. but maybe after reading your posts they had good reason to do so. Did you read them? What did I say that gave them "good reason"? Stop making inaccurate statements. it ain't going to happen, I've never advocated for it to happen. I'm just seeing through their excuses as to why it couldn't. at least make truthful statements when you bash on our brother leagues. Nothing but more vague accusations. What untruthful statements have I made?
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Post by Rob on May 31, 2007 12:43:36 GMT -5
Very sad. I read their message board. They are not very nice to the NWFL. (OFL excluded)
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Post by justjohn on May 31, 2007 12:56:22 GMT -5
SOME of them are not nice to us. Those who know the history behind the grudges find them entertaining. Anyways, I hope you're not losing any sleep over it. SOME of us are not nice to them either.
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Post by Rob on May 31, 2007 13:02:41 GMT -5
Shhhhhh! Be very quite, Rob is the last one to post on this subject now he can sleep Zzzzzzzzz
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Post by savage13 on Aug 10, 2007 1:28:36 GMT -5
Maybe a better plan would be to try to expand the NWFL south down the I-5? Salem, Eugene, and Medford areas have enough talent to put competitive teams on the field even with the spring teams in those areas.
While I love the idea of a mega league, where we are located I have trouble getting players to some of the games that that our proposed division. I know most of you are up north and don't know our geography down here on the southern oregon coast. It takes us 2 hours to get to I-5 in Grants Pass from our home field. (20 miles north of Medford) Then I have guys who travel 1 1/2 to 2 hours to get to a home game because there is no place closer they can play football. Now think about having to travel to us if your in the Seattle area?? Long drive.. So the Savages in the mega league would not be an easy thing to pull off. Though we will be looking to play at least one NWFL team next season if we can pull off the scheduling. I couldn't make the scrimmage with the WV Raiders, but I heard it was a fun one, many of my guys wanted to play another if I could have worked it out a little better. Next time though, I'm not going to schedule a game after I told my boys that they had the weekend off.....
But a team in an expanded NWFL on the I-5 corridor into Oregon, that just might work if the right people got on staff.
Chip Bradley #13 Siskiyou Savages, Owner
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