A reality some day?????

[eflcommissioner]

justjohn said:

Congrats on all you've accomplished. I wish every player and staff member would go through what you and other owners have gone through since you created the Avalanche.

avalanche2 said:

Second, all of the spring league organizations (OFL,PNFC.EFL) have adopted the policy, theirs no stack of teams for postseason tournaments. I know many teams do it throughout the United States, the EFL, PNFC &OFL commissioners would not even entertain a discussion about a super championship without this important issue being addressed.

With all due respect, these are the same shadowy bullsh1t implications/EXCUSES that have have been rampant throughout the GNFA.

It's the same old song and dance.
GNFA: We can't play the NWFL because our schedules are different.
NWFL: We can work around that.
GNFA: Oh, well, umm, we can't play you because you'll stack your teams.

[glow=red,2,300]This repeatedly coming from the association that allegedly had one of it's inaugural championship participants pick up a starting QB for the game. [/glow]

Remember what happened when you and Dan tried to stack the Eagles for your September 9, 2000 playoff game at Sultan High School with the 3 big linemen who stuck out because they didn't have matching game pants? You were told that it's against the rules even though other teams allegedly did it in the past. You chose not to play them.

Have teams stacked in NWFL playoffs? Maybe- but there's only one case that I know of and that's questionable. Allegedly the Bengals had veteran Curtis Delgardo on their roster all season but he only showed up for the 1998 championship game, a loss to the TBolts. Is playing someone that has been on your roster all season considered stacking? The issue was addressed that off-season and the rules were changed to prevent that. Other accusations of stacking in the NWFL playoffs since circa 1996 are nothing but sour grapes from people who, frankly, are an embarrassment to the male gender.

Have NWFL teams stacked in National playoffs? Yes, but within the rules of each governing body. Remember Julio Muldonato? He played for the LB Buffalo Gladiators in the NFA Championship against the Puget Sound Jets. He danced with the cheerleaders in the halftime show in addition to his 18 tackles, 2 blocked PATs, and returning a fumble for a TD. That was his first or second game as a Gladiator. He was assimilated when the Gladiators defeated his team in the playoffs. Everyone knew it as those were the NFA rules. No one cares because they lost.
www.nwfootball.net/nfa/2000/stats/

When Raider LB Ishmael Littleton played for the Hawks in the 2004 NAFL playoffs he played as Ishmael Littleton, not some alias.


If you want to judge us by what you think the Jets or whoever did years ago then let's be fair and judge all spring league teams by the felonious acts of Chuck Love. He was a spring league owner and committed multiple felonies while filling that role. You're a spring league owner. Should we start a discussion on whether or not all current spring league owners follow his lead?

If you have some specific examples then by all means, lets discuss them.

Go Avalanche!

Mr. John,

I just wanted to clarify that game was not a GNFA game. It was the Cascades Bowl I but the GNFA was not founded until this early spring. If the GNFA would've been in place then that situation would not have happened. Just wanted to clarify that occurrence from last year. Have a great year!

Jerrid Edgington
EFL Commissioner

[Rob]

GNFA General Secretary, EFL Commissioner Edgington, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for Minor League Football and Eastern Washington, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Edgington, open this gate. Mr. Edgington, tear down this wall! ****(Thunderous applause)****

;D

[Coach Swain]

Mr. Edgington,

Ok I will take that for what it's worth. I apologize for my spelling as well (where is that darn spell check when you need it? ) I guess the reason that people are so sensitive about the issue is that the only reason that anyone ever hears for why we can't get together and play eachother is the EFL issue.

I can understand that you feel that the GNFA is pretty cool. It definitely is! But having a NW alliance of teams and crowning a champ without the NWFL is like the NFL without the NFC East. Just doesn't work......

As far as the NWFL wanting things to be done on "their terms" people have already said they would be willing to push schedules back as much as 1 to 2 months in our league to try to have a legitimate NW champion.

Nobody asked the EFL to change their schedule did they.....Play-off games might push a few weeks later than you would've hoped but hey I haven't heard anyone from any other leagues complaining about that. The only league that I have heard issues from is the EFL. It sounds like what will eventually happen is another alliance and then we will compete for teams........

It's more likely that many of these teams will eventually be in the NWFL. The Stallions jumped ship last season and who knows who might follow in the pursuit of the best competition (Shockers?). There is a clear difference between teams and leagues that want to go out and play the best schedules they can, and teams and leagues that would just as well let ignorance be bliss and really think they are doing something!

[mj55]

So since everyone else is putting in their 2 cents. Here is my penny... Wouldn't this be an absolute impossibility when you really think about it? OK, the EFL has weather issues, and is pretty happy and very successfull in what they are doing. The OFL is a pretty good distance away, and travel would be expensive etc. But the real kicker is the PNFC and CFL, both founded to get away from the "strong hold" of the NWFL as I have been told. Mr. Suess founded both out of discontent and pure hatred for the NWFL. Mr. was oustered from the PNFC, so they would probably be more friendly than the CFL would, given that Mr. is still in charge.

So if the option was really the EFL, PNFC, and OFL all of which were Spring leagues, then why disband three to join one? Those three already belong to the GNFA, which is trying to find a NW SPRING LEAGUE Champion, not a NW Champion, a NW SPRING champ, be sure that spring is clear.

So my take is, three leagues are already doing one thing, so why not have the NWFL shift and join the GNFA? If the NWFL joined the GNFA and played spring games, each league would get together and compile a basic rule set, roster regulations etc. Then we would truely have an NW conglomerate. Winner of it all could go on to the NAFL championship, and a national title.

But asking three to comply to one really isn't reasonable. And who cares about the CFL, they really only have one legit team, so who would they be playing anyway?

MJ

[nick]

We've been there and done that discussion. No offense to anyone, but have we gotten anywhere with this yet? I'm surprised there isn't more talk about league play and all being that it begins next week...

[Coach Swain]

MJ and Nick,

Good point! We have talked this issue to death! I agree there are too many personal feelings involved and too many agendas to make it happen. The NWFL season is right around the corner and everyone will have to grab their popcorn and cheerlead for the next few months while the big boys sort things out!

I still think the NWFL should find a way to play the LCFL champ after our play-offs and that would be nice....I honestly think it is selfish and childish to punish the players, coaches, and fans with the petty bull.....But that's life and personally I just don't care that much.

Let the spring leaguers play spring ball and we will continue to go out and play the best teams that are willing to play! Period if you are not willing to play you can't claim to be any kind of champion and if you are content with that don't post messages on our board when we have a national champ named later this summer!

[nick]

EXACTLY. If you want to play schedule it, if not be quiet.In either case, both leagues (summer, spring) need to just keep doing its thing.They are both aimed towards different, but very valid and specific goals. So I say lets just play football.I think that one thing that has been proven this year is that if teams want to play each other, truly, they will. They will get it set and make it happen. I think those games (interleague) are fun, and great for competition or "pre-seasoning". Let it be...

[Vizzini]

Stiltz, I know. Next time read what I write. It is a derivative of those Hebrew words. Meow?

[eflcommissioner]

I think a group hug is in order...COME HERE SWAIN!!!

Jerrid Edgington
EFL Commissioner

[Bull58]

Funboys.

[justjohn]

eflcommissioner said:

John,

I just wanted to clarify that game was not a GNFA game. It was the Cascades Bowl I but the GNFA was not founded until this early spring. If the GNFA would've been in place then that situation would not have happened. Just wanted to clarify that occurrence from last year. Have a great year!

Jerrid Edgington
EFL Commissioner

True, but it was a PNFC playoff game, and the PNFC is a member of the GNFA.

The GNFA's message is clear. Stacking teams for league playoff games last year is okay, but defunct NWFL teams allegedly stacking 5-10 years ago is a reason to avoid the NWFL.

excuse #1) The GNFA won't consider the NWFL because the schedules are different. DEBUNKED
excuse #2) The GNFA won't consider the NWFL because of allegations of stacking teams. DEBUNKED

Honestly, regarding all this merger talk among non-leadership personnel, I don't care either way. Remember Jerrid, when you and I were discussing interleague play on the EFL message board I was abundantly clear. How many times did I say "It wouldn't necessarily be a playoff game - just an inter-league game to build good will between the leagues." Click the link and count for yourself. However many times it was, it obviously wasn't enough.
nwfl1.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1178769591

We're evil because of the alleged actions of defunct teams/owners, but your "sh1t don't stink" even though you're all descendents of Chuck Love? I'm just looking for some consistency. Thus far all I've found is double talk.

[justjohn]

lightsout5 said:

As far as the NWFL wanting things to be done on "their terms" people have already said they would be willing to push schedules back as much as 1 to 2 months in our league to try to have a legitimate NW champion.

I can't remember any team owner or league officer even mentioning the issue on this forum.

To my knowledge it hasn't even been discussed at a league meeting.

[justjohn]

mj55 said:

So my take is, three leagues are already doing one thing, so why not have the NWFL shift and join the GNFA? If the NWFL joined the GNFA and played spring games, each league would get together and compile a basic rule set, roster regulations etc. Then we would truely have an NW conglomerate. Winner of it all could go on to the NAFL championship, and a national title.

-I don't think there has been any discussion among the leadership of the GNFA leagues and the NWFL. I don't expect there to be.

-However, when "uninformed nobodies" like myself have mentioned that the NWFL might be willing to make concessions, the immediate response is "We're very familiar with the way NWFL teams get stacked up for playoffs/championships."

-GNFA leaders generally believe that semi-pro national championships are "mythical" (with the exception of those won in the mid 1980's). Their attitude seems to be, "We can't afford to travel to Disney World so we don't believe in the existence of Disney World."

[eflcommissioner]

This I will take direct insult to. Don't EVER mention our name with that loser chuck love again. We are NOT him and all of the things we've done has been done the right way and not the criminal way like he did. Did I ever say my doo doo doesn't stink...NO. But don't ever put me or this league is the same category as that loser. You want to think we're the same as him then that's your opinion. We have done so much that he could only dream about and we've done it the right way. Whatever John...live in your little fantasy world! That right there is the attitude that we want nothing to do with. We're still playing for the love of the game whereas some leagues have forgotten that and are playing to win at all costs. I need not say what league that is because we all know who it is. Double talk? Give me a break. This merger thing will never happen so on that note...Have a great day!!!

Jerrid Edgington

[Coach Swain]

lightsout5 said:

Just to clarify....I am not suggesting that the EFL should be any more or less relevant to the conversation. What I am saying is that if there are 3 or 4 other member leagues, the EFL should not be allowed to call all of the shots. If the other leagues want this then to bad so sad for the people who would rather drink cool-aid on the sidelines! Of course this is based on the NWFL joining the GNFA. That could be a bigger hurdle than the EFL.

[/b]
John,

This is why you get under people's skin sometimes! When, in any post, did I say that the NWFL as a league had had any discussion about this? I have always prefaced everything I have said with this is my personal opinion. I can go back and keep pulling up post that I have said this in if you would like.......I said that there have been people weather it be coaches or players that would be willing to push the schedule back. I never said the league would be willing to......

[Coach Swain]

lightsout5 said:

Arnie,

If you go back through my posts on this one you will see that I did acknowledge that the Eastern Washington teams have a weather issue. Do I think it can be worked around YES but that's just my humble opinion.

But it isn't just the EFL believe ME there are people like this hiding behind one reason or the other in all of the leagues including mine.

[Coach Swain]

It really pisses me off when people don't read the whole thread and then jump into the conversation guns blazing. This was a discussion that included players and coaches about how nice it would be if something could be worked out. Then the EFL commish came in and put his two cents in and the conversation started to go south.......

[justjohn]

eflcommissioner said:

live in your little fantasy world! That right there is the attitude that we want nothing to do with. We're still playing for the love of the game whereas some leagues have forgotten that and are playing to win at all costs. I need not say what league that is because we all know who it is.

You're right Jerrid, we all DO know - it's one of the GNFA teams that stacked for their league championship game last year.

There hasn't been a similar issue in the NWFL since last century!

[saints31]

I didn't know I wasn't playing for the love of the game!

[saints31]

eflcommissioner said:

I just find it humerous now that we have a credible association, the GNFA, the NWFL wants to get on board but with their terms...

For something to be credible, shouldn't it be in existence for longer than at least a year for the outsiders to make an evaluation of whether this is credible or not? I know I can't build credibility in with anyone in a year.

[eflcommissioner]

justjohn said:

eflcommissioner said:

live in your little fantasy world! That right there is the attitude that we want nothing to do with. We're still playing for the love of the game whereas some leagues have forgotten that and are playing to win at all costs. I need not say what league that is because we all know who it is.

You're right Jerrid, we all DO know - it's one of the GNFA teams that stacked for their league championship game last year.

John,

Being I'm a paramedic I think you really need to get your head checked out or are you just that ignorant? THE GNFA WAS NOT IN EXISTANCE WHEN THE STALLIONS PLAYED THE KNIGHTS LAST YEAR. THE STALLIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN OR WILL BE A PART OF THE GNFA. THE GNFA WAS NOT PUT INTO EXISTENCE UNTIL WELL AFTER THAT GAME!!! Now, should you need interpetation I'd be glad to assist you with that. Bottom line is you pick and choose what you read so I'm done with that. I've said my peace. I've spoken to several of the PNFC teams and they really don't have any interest in this league combining thing so good luck with that idea between possibly two leagues. The GNFA will be crowing the Nortwest Region Champion at the end of June. You should come watch!!! To the rest of the NWFL good luck this season, have fun, hit hard and stay healthy!

Jerrid Edgington

There hasn't been a similar issue in the NWFL since last century!

[saints31]

mj55 said:

John-

What Edgington is trying to make a point of is that the GNFA was formed AFTER the Stallions game last year. So therefore, the Stallions were NOT part of a GNFA group that DIDN'T exist at that time of that game last year. AFTER that game, the GNFA was formed, 3 MONTHS after that game, at that point when the guidelines were set for the GNFA to be born, the Stallions were the perfect example, and the GNFA decided that in order for it to be a true tourney it had to be regular season roster VS regular season roster.

So to clarify, the Stallions have NEVER played in a GNFA related game, because the GNFA didn't exist until 3 months AFTER the game they played in last year. So to say that the Stallions have played in a GNFA game last year is a flat out false statement.

MJ

I think what John is trying to say is that the GNFA comprises of the PNFC, EFL and OFL. Same leagues as last year right just minus the Stallions with a more business like name right for this year??

[saints31]

I was really disappointed when I woke up and found how this thread grew and I looked at the time...around 6pm on a Tues. Which tells me some people didn't go to practice...

[mj55]

Understood, BUT John keeps saying that the Stallions played in the GNFA game last year, can't play in a game in an association that didn't exist. If they had played in the game last year, that was a GNFA game (which it was not) they wouldn't have been able to play with anyone that wasn't a regular season player. The GNFA was formed after that game, to insure a true team vs team tournament to crown a true SPRING champion.

I've played in both the NWFL and EFL and now I don't play anywhere, I like what the GNFA is doing because they are finding a true champion, for the spring leagues involved.

[G27]

"I've spoken to several of the PNFC teams and they really don't have any interest in this league combining thing so good luck with that idea between possibly two leagues. "

FYI - This was on the OFL forum so to say PNFC isnt interested in the league combining thing would be false. I still think you should start with 2 leagues joining and letting everyone else join in later. It does mean everyone needs to be flexible and be compromising.

"Hi OFL guys. Coach Matychowiak with the South Sound Shockers here. Beofre I go any further just let me say we had our reserves in before the 1st Quarter ended and we only threw 5 passes on the day.
I have been following this thread and it got me to thinking about expansion. What would you fellas think of expanding into Washington? Just for the sake of argument lets say we merged the OFL with the PNFC and set up a Southern Division and a Northern Division. Just wondering what you OFL folks think.

Regards,
Maty"


"I think if there were a Northern and a Southern Division the Monarchs and The Dalles would be in the Northern. They would have to travel to Washington. If you played home and away against division rivals and set up 2 games one home and one away against non division teams you would end up with potentially only one long trip outside your division depending on who you drew for the non division away game. In the longrun it may save on travel costs and time."


"I played around with this since my last post here is what I came up with in just a few hours. Of course lots of planning and working out the details would have to occur before anything like this could ever happen.
Divisions could be something like this:

North
Northwest Avalanche
Skagit Valley Lightning
Valley Mustangs
South Sound Shockers
Eugene Dragons
Columbia River Coyotes
Oregon Monarchs

South
Rogue Warriors
Siskiyou Savages
Klamath County Crusaders
High Desert Lightning
Umpqua Valley Knights
Oregon Outlaws
Southwestern Oregon Raiders

If the season ended today, the playoffs would be:

Oregon Outlaws @ South Sound Shockers
Oregon Monarchs @ Rogue Warriors

(Monarchs beat the Mustangs early on taking the
playoff spot)."

All posts were from Maty of the South Sound Shockers.

[Vizzini]

Alright, alright, alright. Let me put some substance to this, and make a final point about this topic.

It would be a great idea to combine the leagues.

Ego's have to be put aside (especially administrative personnel)

With a conglomeration of teams/leagues we will grab peoples' attention and pick up a lot of serious sponsors, and fans. The bigger we are, and the more united we are the more outsiders of the semi pro world will take us seriously.

Rules on behavior on and off the field must be in place. We all know we're considered the "Prison League" by haters. Why? Because people miss behave. We're all adults, so we should act like it. Check your pride at the door.

Teams all have a charity of some sort that they perform. This must be taken seriously. Team participation would be a must. This would fortify to on lookers about our seriousness about our communities, and this would only encourage sponsors and fans more; as well as other athletes who have been gun shy to jump on board out of fear of being labeled a Prison League player.

The Jags and Saints do it right with being apart of parades. We all represent our respective communities, so we should all participate in our local parades. Not to just advertise our team, but the league as a whole.

If everything I have mentioned were to happen, money would be pouring into this league like mad, and we wouldn't have to worry about travel expenses because we will have gained the support from out sponsors. I don't know if we have League sponsors or not, but I think hitting up a big company like Micro Soft or Warehouser wouldn't be a bad start. I can't do it because I'm not a good enough talker/presenter. I have ideas, but that's as good as my effort will take me. People like Rico have what it takes to sell ideas. Rico I'm not trying to recruit you, just use you as an example.

I know this would take a few seasons to accomplish, but what the hell? Are we gonna wait around another 61 years complaining about the same thing? We have movers and shakers in this league, so use your talent and make things happen. Alex/A-Train 45, I know you're a good sales man. I know you have connections. How about some of you former D-1 and former pro ballers? You guys should have connections too. Not to mention any names, but I know of a certain player who played for the 49ers, I'm sure he still has connections with NFL types. How about our good old buddy Sam "the talent thief" Adams?

I could go on and on. We have all the resources. We just now need to use them properly.

Players, I strongly urge you and challenge you to be mature men...not angry little boys comparing body parts/sizes. If some one pisses you, just be quiet and hit the practice dummy that much harder. Let fools be fools; they will weed themselves out, and then this league will only have good athletes.

The end!

[reynolds35LB]

that'd be upseting there'd have to be a bigger play-off bracket..... stangs lost to monarchs pre-season...and the shockers 1st game...one other non league loss to the vikings of the nwfl....if it were all regular season play it sounds good...

i think this would all be wonderful for the all around competition level...and give final bragging rights to whoever earned it...instead of all this mumbo jumbo we're better than you non sense...you'd get to show em'...

but, in think that the spring and summer leagues are scheduled when they are for a reason...spring--owners, coaches, players possibly dont like to play in the heat/can't play in the heat...and enjoy their summers on vacation or relaxing at the lake...summer---owners coaches, players....don't enjoy dealing with wet cold conditions and have other things going on the winter.......so i guess chose you league based on your preferences and play for that championship....and if you can....go for 2 or 3 championships in a year(multileagueing). untill your body says stop...i know they play close to 20 games in the nfl...(i know what league i want to be like)!!!!!

this wont happen any time soon

[Rob]

This subject is interesting thats why it continues.

Ted and Gary,

I like what you guys are saying. I myself enjoy joking around on this message board but I’ll have to say that I kind of like the different leagues separated as they are. Both the spring and summer leagues have two different goals in mind.

From what I gathered over time reading from message board posts and websites is that the 3 local spring leagues goal is to play for fun and have their best 3 teams go on to play in a mini-tournament for a spring NW trophy. These leagues do not want to go national because all national tournaments basically are in late summer or early fall. They don’t want to wait around for months. Most spring owners are fine with that. The eastern WA and southern OR owners really don't want to play in the heat of the summer months, and the Puget sound spring owners really don't mind the cold rain and wind because they want their summers off. An advantage for spring players is that while this mini-spring tournament is going on, some spring guys that participated on teams not fortunate enough to make the spring playoffs and who are young, healthy and injury free enough join up with their favorite summer teams and play even more football.

Most teams in the 2 summer NW leagues enjoy playing football for fun in the nice summer weather where field rentals are plentiful and day light hours are long. Summer owners do not like their teams playing and practicing in the rain and cold of the late winter and early spring months. The goal of most summer teams is not only to become champion of their respective leagues but have their sights set on a bigger prize, a chance to continue their dream, to continue the excitement of playing top notch teams from lands far away, far away teams outside of the NW with goals and visions much like their own, summer teams working hard and striving for that rare shot at a national championship.

[jdisney]

This subject WAS interesting! It should be blown up now. This is stuff that won't happen any time soon. I don't care how many meetings you have. It won't happen! It is a pointless subject in my mind.

[Rob]

You talkin' to me?