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Post by Bull58 on May 29, 2007 2:24:40 GMT -5
Good idea, some of the other leagues see the NWFL as the Evil Empire.
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Post by justjohn on May 29, 2007 3:58:44 GMT -5
Let's start with the leadership of each league simply getting along. Perhaps they could even drop the grudges that go back anywhere from 3 to 10 or 20 years.
Then let's see if we can graduate to the leaders of all leagues, but especially the newer leagues, not publicly disrespecting other leagues. Perhaps the leaders could set a good example for team owners and staff. Maybe, just maybe, we could ALL take the "high road" and resist the temptation to speak out negatively - no matter how warranted the words may be.
Then let's see if we can all be mature enough to NOT attribute the comments of any one player or coach to the entire league they're are affiliated with. Let's see if we can resist the temptation to be offended/insulted by ideas/discussions such as this thread.
If we can accomplish all that, THEN let's revisit this discussion.
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Post by Vizzini on May 29, 2007 7:57:08 GMT -5
I am highly offended!!! ;D
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Post by bearcats58 on May 29, 2007 9:47:07 GMT -5
Lowell the new line up looks good but with gas at $350 now it will be tough for the long travel you have the cavs playing in the east thats a 3 hour drive, 5-6 for some of our players from home. The first line up looked better I know there was only 5 divisions but travel was less. But that is little stuff that can be worked out later. maybe its time to take this to the next league meetings if 500 players show up at each league meeting someone will have to listen. its time to drop the egos and the long time hate between the leagues and remember why we have these leagues ( TO PLAY FOOTBALL ) if we can make it better than lets put in alittle work and get it done.
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Post by saints31 on May 29, 2007 11:03:30 GMT -5
It's just the old soldier in me Coach Swain You can take the man out of the soldier, but you can't take the soldier out of the man. Kill em all, and let God sort them out!!! Now I thought the Marines were the ones who God had a hard-on for because Marines fill heaven with fresh packed souls!! haahahahahah So as I watch the news this morning (on my 2nd and last week of leave), I see two interesting things. Wives are doing pole dancing as some kind of therapy or workout. It suppose to bring "sexy back". And in England, a bunch of guys roll themselves down a long hill to win a block of cheese. Interesting how the world has evolved.
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Post by Vizzini on May 29, 2007 11:25:40 GMT -5
Evolved More like declined.
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Post by saints31 on May 29, 2007 11:53:01 GMT -5
yeah that sounds about right...
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Post by cgkevin on May 29, 2007 12:44:16 GMT -5
I have heard the same thing many times....."NO ONE WANTS TO BE A PART OF THE NWFL." Why not disband all the leagues and create a new one with all the teams, and give it a name that is voted on by all the owners? Then have a certain percentage of the owners voted in for board postions that last a pre-designated term, at least one from each division. If a board member gets elected, then they can only serve one term. I agree that this makes more sense to have a bigger league. We all come here to play, and some of the biggest complaints I have heard is that we do not play enough games. These complaints have come from the NWFL, PNFC, and I am not sure about the others. So if that is a problem, then this would fix it. More games, will help gain experiance, especially when it comes national playoff time. If a team only gets 9 or 10 games, are they really prepared to take on a team from California or Texas that has played 20 something? Sure there is a possibility of injuries with more games, but that risk exsists even if you play one game.
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Post by saints31 on May 29, 2007 13:03:20 GMT -5
eventually someday, everyone will put their differences aside and just unite to help make semi-pro football in the region stronger. But until then, we are all just wishing....
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Post by The Reporter on May 29, 2007 13:18:47 GMT -5
From: Craig Jackson
First, I would like to say, that I will no longer be the owner of the Northwest Avalanche after the 2007 season. The team will hopefully continue under new ownership of MR McKinley whom I greatly respect. Owning a football team can be very taxing and expensive. Besides having to recruit additional support staff members to help make game day work efficiently, which can be extremely difficult and frustrating. I will continue being involved in the game of football, but only as a coach which is my preference. I enjoyed my time as an owner which gave me a whole new perspective of what each owners go through every week to put on a football game so you guys can play. Believe me it's six months or more of time you have to dedicate nonstop. A lot of a personal things get pushed aside.
The individual time and effort that went into this league merger presentation was phenomenal. This would be the ultimate accomplishment if someone could mediate this project and bring it into reality. As it has been said by others replying to this message, there are many differences between the leagues that would have to be resolved first, like scheduling, league rules policies, sportsmanship policies, and championship roster policies before any serious discussions by league governing bodies. Probably starting with identifying what issues divides the leagues would be a good starting point. What I have learned over the years that if you tackle the bigger issues first, then the smaller things will usually resolve themselves in the process.
Second, all of the spring league organizations (OFL,PNFC.EFL)have adopted the policy, theirs no stack of teams for postseason tournaments. I know many teams do it throughout the United States, the EFL, PNFC &OFL commissioners would not even entertain a discussion about a super championship without this important issue being addressed.
I support Rarey's idea if I had a choice, because it allows each football league to maintain theirs own identities and operating policies. Only a few adjustments needed when to start the season so everyone participating in the tournament can begin at the same time without dragging things out one to two months after the season.
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Post by justjohn on May 29, 2007 16:45:40 GMT -5
Congrats on all you've accomplished. I wish every player and staff member would go through what you and other owners have gone through since you created the Avalanche. Second, all of the spring league organizations (OFL,PNFC.EFL) have adopted the policy, theirs no stack of teams for postseason tournaments. I know many teams do it throughout the United States, the EFL, PNFC &OFL commissioners would not even entertain a discussion about a super championship without this important issue being addressed. With all due respect, these are the same shadowy bullsh1t implications/EXCUSES that have have been rampant throughout the GNFA. It's the same old song and dance. GNFA: We can't play the NWFL because our schedules are different. NWFL: We can work around that. GNFA: Oh, well, umm, we can't play you because you'll stack your teams. This repeatedly coming from the association that allegedly had one of it's inaugural championship participants pick up a starting QB for the game. Remember what happened when you and Dan tried to stack the Eagles for your September 9, 2000 playoff game at Sultan High School with the 3 big linemen who stuck out because they didn't have matching game pants? You were told that it's against the rules even though other teams allegedly did it in the past. You chose not to play them. Have teams stacked in NWFL playoffs? Maybe- but there's only one case that I know of and that's questionable. Allegedly the Bengals had veteran Curtis Delgardo on their roster all season but he only showed up for the 1998 championship game, a loss to the TBolts. Is playing someone that has been on your roster all season considered stacking? The issue was addressed that off-season and the rules were changed to prevent that. Other accusations of stacking in the NWFL playoffs since circa 1996 are nothing but sour grapes from people who, frankly, are an embarrassment to the male gender. Have NWFL teams stacked in National playoffs? Yes, but within the rules of each governing body. Remember Julio Muldonato? He played for the LB Buffalo Gladiators in the NFA Championship against the Puget Sound Jets. He danced with the cheerleaders in the halftime show in addition to his 18 tackles, 2 blocked PATs, and returning a fumble for a TD. That was his first or second game as a Gladiator. He was assimilated when the Gladiators defeated his team in the playoffs. Everyone knew it as those were the NFA rules. No one cares because they lost. www.nwfootball.net/nfa/2000/stats/When Raider LB Ishmael Littleton played for the Hawks in the 2004 NAFL playoffs he played as Ishmael Littleton, not some alias. If you want to judge us by what you think the Jets or whoever did years ago then let's be fair and judge all spring league teams by the felonious acts of Chuck Love. He was a spring league owner and committed multiple felonies while filling that role. You're a spring league owner. Should we start a discussion on whether or not all current spring league owners follow his lead? If you have some specific examples then by all means, lets discuss them. Go Avalanche!
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Post by eflcommissioner on May 29, 2007 18:24:50 GMT -5
This all sounds good and dandy but the EFL will not move our season to the summer. Yes, we play in May and June but we're done in June so our players/coaches can enjoy the summer with their famalies. Good luck with what you're trying to do but the EFL will not change our season. This has been expressed to me by the players and the ownership.
Jerrid Edgington EFL Commissioner
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Post by eflcommissioner on May 29, 2007 18:26:46 GMT -5
By the way, nice job on helmets. I've been trying to figure out how to do that for the past two years. What software did you use to design them?
Jerrid Edgington EFL Commissioner
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Post by saints31 on May 29, 2007 18:27:37 GMT -5
This all sounds good and dandy but the EFL will not move our season to the summer. Yes, we play in May and June but we're done in June so our players/coaches can enjoy the summer with their famalies. Good luck with what you're trying to do but the EFL will not change our season. This has been expressed to me by the players and the ownership. Jerrid Edgington EFL Commissioner Thank you Commish for confirming why alot of us think any kind of merger won't happen...not even if God came down himself and told us to do so.
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Post by eflcommissioner on May 29, 2007 18:30:36 GMT -5
I'm confused as to what you're saying. I'm just saying the reasons why the EFL won't participate.
Jerrid Edgington EFL Commissioner
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Post by saints31 on May 29, 2007 18:32:20 GMT -5
We can't all agree...that's all I'm saying. We have different intentions or different agendas. That's all.
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Post by Rob on May 29, 2007 18:41:01 GMT -5
This topic is now officially closed.
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Post by gabrielg on May 29, 2007 19:29:51 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by Vizzini on May 29, 2007 19:36:49 GMT -5
Amen is a derivative from the Hebrew verb aman "to strengthen" or "Confirm". Put that in your pipe and smoke it ;D
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Post by lowell on May 29, 2007 19:37:16 GMT -5
EFL Commish, That was kinda the point....that all leagues would have to give little. On the EFL side, if you truly would like to be part of or saw potential for such a league you would have to be willing to start one month later, so instead of the first game being mid-March it would be mid-April and on the NWFL side of things, they would have to be willing to start a month or so early..as it is many of the NWFL teams already start playing games mid-April. That appears to be the Biggest issue that everyone would have to budge a little on. I admit, I'm fairly new to semi-pro ball here in the northwest. I've played one year in the NWFL and two in the PNFC and I don't know all the details of the disputes and bs that has brewed between all the tall hogs at the trough of each league but as a player and fan of football I believe one good solid united league would prove to be very successful where everyone could benefit. That's all, I don't mean to kick up dust or dander or jam the stick in the ant's hill, I just want what I know the players and fans would absolutely love. One great semi-pro league! Bottom line is: If the owners, coaches and commisioners were willing to break the concrete blocks off their feet and stop the pissing contests, maybe and just maybe, progress in this direction could be made. Nothing is impossible. Oh, ..I do it all in Photoshop..it's my favorite weapon for graphics...If you ever need anything...I can put it together pretty quick..just give me a hollar! (ahem..to everyone else reading this...that favor is to the EFL Commish since he asked..don't be pounding me for requests...LOL ) Peace ;D
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Post by Stiltz5 on May 29, 2007 19:55:25 GMT -5
actually Ted 'Amen' means "so be it". just to get the correct meaning out there and no one is confused.
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Post by eflcommissioner on May 29, 2007 20:04:54 GMT -5
It sounds good on paper but our league is very happy with the ways things are right now. We're in our third successful season and about to have our playoffs and All Star Game coming up. I can't speak for other leagues I'm just saying that the EFL is happy where we're at and with the GNFA playoffs it unites three leagues that are spring time football leagues. I wish nothing but the best for the NWFL but the EFL is happy right where we're at. Nice work on those helmets...they're really cool!
Jerrid Edgington EFL Commissioner
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Post by Rob on May 29, 2007 20:17:53 GMT -5
EFL Commissioner, Thank-you for wishing the NWFL the best. Though this is a NWFL messageboard, this NWFL messageboard has an active healthy fan, player, coach, owner participation base from all NW leagues and teams. Opinions on here do not necessary reflect or express the views of the NWFL only. The views you are reading are unfiltered passionate views from fans of NW Minor League Football. My wish is best wishes to the EFL.
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Post by Coach Swain on May 29, 2007 20:18:24 GMT -5
I don't think it matters if the EFL participates or not we can work with the other three leagues (OFL, PNFC, NWFL). Therefore if the other three leagues agree to band together and the NWFL joins the GNFA then the play-offs for the GNFA are going to be at a time agreed upon by all four leagues not just the EFL! They have said they would vote against it but there are still three other leagues........Who said they held all the cards? The other three leagues could just as easily set the playoffs a month later because it is in the best interests of the majority and the EFL will have the choice to participate inside that framework or go have their all-star game and call it good......Am I the only one this makes sense to?
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Post by Rob on May 29, 2007 20:24:24 GMT -5
Don't forget the Cascade FL they have 4 new teams now and are expanding in 2008.
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Post by Coach Swain on May 29, 2007 20:31:10 GMT -5
Just to clarify....I am not suggesting that the EFL should be any more or less relevant to the conversation. What I am saying is that if there are 3 or 4 other member leagues, the EFL should not be allowed to call all of the shots. If the other leagues want this then to bad so sad for the people who would rather drink cool-aid on the sidelines! Of course this is based on the NWFL joining the GNFA. That could be a bigger hurdle than the EFL.
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Post by Rob on May 29, 2007 20:39:22 GMT -5
Coach Swain, it wouldn't be called the GNFA it would have to take on a different playoff tournament name like (for example) the Western Cascade Alliance (WCA) from Bellingham to Medford.
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Post by eflcommissioner on May 29, 2007 21:23:22 GMT -5
Coach McSwain,
Like I said this is what the EFL thinks about it. As far as the GNFA goes I couldn't tell you what WE the GNFA would do because I'm also the co-founder of that organization. As I said before good luck and this is our stance. Play Hard!!!
Jerrid Edgington EFL Commissioner
p.s. I got what you were saying Mr. Rarey..not ignoring you.
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Post by Coach Swain on May 29, 2007 21:41:54 GMT -5
Mr. McEdigtononalaoia, Last time I checked my name is Swain. Moving forward you have already voiced the EFL's stance......What is your point? Are you saying because you helped found the GNFA that you now control everything that happens. Do you control who decides to play who and when as it pertains to all of the other leagues.....Heck maybe you do Saddam. My question was simply if the NWFL were to agree to join some kind of alliance with the PNFC, OFL and Cascade leagues than it wouldn't matter what the EFL wanted to do. Your point about your pull with the GNFA is noted but doesn't sway me in any way regarding my opinion on the matter. It doen't matter what kind of alphabet soup name you give it the GNFA can be replaced with any other alliance. Doesn't take that much. Western Cascade Alliance sounds great let's get it rolling! Heck maybe I'll found one just for kicks. We could just as easily all join the LCFL and become LCFL NW (which was an idea that has already surfaced) and not only unite all willing NW teams but bring the best alliance in California into the mix and name a West Coast Champ. Regardless of what the EFL's issues are and as much as you might want to believe you control everything you aren't the only voice here with all due respect Mr. McEdington..........Bigger question is why, if you are so steadfast about your stance on the subject, are you registered on our message board posting messages? You seem to be quite content where you are so it shouldn't really matter what all of the other leagues in the area decide to do......... should it? Bottom line it could be that the other leagues would rather play in the play-offs against the NWFL than face the blistering heat of Eastern Washington and that might be a determining factor. More likely than that the other teams in the region will want to play the best teams they can schedule so they can really gauge how good they are and obviously that includes the NWFL. Sorry just facts.....
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Post by eflcommissioner on May 29, 2007 22:10:11 GMT -5
Coach Swain,
I wasn't slamming your name, I simply misread your name and no insult was meant so for that I apologize. I'm not trying to say I have any pull with anything. I just find it humerous now that we have a credible association, the GNFA, the NWFL wants to get on board but with their terms. Which is not meant against anything with the NWFL but merely the suggestions of the people on this board. I undestand these are the views of the indivuduals and not the legue. We at the GNFA have a cool thing going and it's working really well. That's my two cents worth, for what it's worth, and I'm done with this subject. I never come on here but someone told me about this thread and that's why I came on. There are NWFL'ers that come on our board and it's fine with us. I can't believe how sensitive some are when I simply stated our stance but none the less, good luck with your season and have fun.
Jerrid Edgington "Smile, you're playing golf!" (thoughts to be had when having a bad round)
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