Post by Coach Swain on Sept 8, 2008 13:35:57 GMT -5
I want people to understand that it wasn't just the 18 penalties that were called. That happens sometimes. It wasn't just that I fealt like there were bad calls. It was the times and situations that the flags were thrown in. On our last drive we overcame 3 holding penalties on that drive alone to continue the drive before the fumble. It never should've came down to that we should've been ahead at least 10 zip if they just call the game correctly and dont make things up on the fly!
PS The fact that this thread was deleted and then returned to me with the other person's ability to delete threads taken away should speak volumes.
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First off I want to say that I dont want to take anything away from the Titans players and coaches! Fred, Deion, Cap, Bush, Piper, Perribello, Jenkins Bros, Radio and all others played their hearts out and deserve credit.
I have to put this on public record..These were the words of the refs on our sidelines. NOT MINE THE REFS ON OUR SIDELINES! There were people on our sidelines that heard all of this that are not a part of our team but I doubt they will have the courage to come forward due to a loyalty to the friends they have on the Titans. My only hope is that the refs on our sidelines report this o their supervisors
#1 First Quarter we drive 99 yards to the one. We hand off to Ish Littleton who get's grabbed around the ankle just before he gets hit he flips it to Marvin Bronson for a TD. Side judge on our sideline signals TD whistle blows after the play. Refs get together and decide the play was blown dead even though it WAS NEVER BLOWN DEAD. I ask the ref and he says "Your right coach he wasn't down and the whistle didn't blow it was a TD but there's nothing I can do it was the white hats call" Result forced to kick a field goal. 7 points gone!
#2 Our WR gets knocked into the ref and he says loud enough for multiple players to hear " I hope he fu#@s you up next time to our player"
#3 We drive down and set up for a field goal on forth down. Whistle blows the play dead before the ball is snapped some kind of illegal procedure. On top of this they completely can our center after the whistle blows. Instead of moving it back five and doing it again because it was a dead ball penalty they give the ball to the Titans right there. I ask the ref "Is that the right call" He says "Coach I don't know what they did there..... it should have been five and play the down again, the other ref on our sideline confirms" Result loss of 3 points potentially!
#4 At least 5 holding penalties where the ref is pulling the flag out before the ball is snapped and then just throwing it into the center of the line and calling holding penalties. Ref on our sidelines just shakes his head!
#5 3rd and forever for Titans they throw a bomb my corner runs stride for stride with WR ball sails out of bounds play ends ref a few seconds later throws a flag (this was after a big meeting of the refs where they obviously realize that the intial call of pass interference was no good because the ball was un-catchable instead of picking up the flag and making the right call they change it to holding) . I ask the ref what he did wrong....... I describe the technique he used and how he has just as much right to the ball as the WR. Ref "You are right coach that was textbook but I didn't call it and there's nothing I can do"
#6 Marvin Bronson intercepts a ball in the back of the endzone starts to run it out ref blows play dead and says he was out of back of zone.....Refs on our sidelines thought he was in play!
#7 End of the game I say to the ref "This has been a total sham!" He says "Coach for the first time in my career I completely agree with the coaches on my sideline IT HAS!!!!!!"
Bottom line I dont believe we could have done anything to win that game tonight! If we would've scored they would've called it back! As we got closer to scoring position flags started flying and despite all of that we still were getting first downs in 3rd and 15 and 20 situations Their only score came on 25 yards in penalties and a 12 yard run!
This is 100% my last game in the NWFL I planned that before the season. I love HS Football and there are a few other opportunities out there potentially. Part of the reason I love other levels of football is that THIS NEVER WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN There would be an investigation and follow through.
I want to commend the refs on our sidelines for having the courage to say out loud that this was wrong and being done intentionally! I can't believe this actually happened.............. but it was every bit as bad as Remember the Titans..... there was just nobody to come out and put a stop to it! I hope they report this ( And I believe they will in addition to me) and something is done. I really think this was the last straw I think Mac and Dave have finally seen enough! It has been this way all year and the same refs doing it. This would not be happening in the NAFL/OFL or any other league for that matter and we owe our players an even playing field. I believe that this is the last game the Thunderbolts play in the NWFL. We all worked too hard to get rewarded like this.
I want to thank all of the players and coaches in our league! I have learned a lot from you all. I wish you all blessings and happiness in any and all future endeavors! This is not a reflection on any of you! We just aren't playing on an even playing field! We got into week 5 this year before we had a holding penalty called on the other team! And PS on the stat line for the game I want you to name the 10 penalties the Titans had for 80 yards!!!!!!!! They maybe had 5 penalties in the entire game. I could be wrong I am going to go back and review the game film closely!
I just cant accept the " I would be mad too" answer I get after the fact.......... it just isn't enough! The refs on our sideline said it all for us tonight and people heard what was said...... that is all I am going to say about this!
PS The fact that this thread was deleted and then returned to me with the other person's ability to delete threads taken away should speak volumes.
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First off I want to say that I dont want to take anything away from the Titans players and coaches! Fred, Deion, Cap, Bush, Piper, Perribello, Jenkins Bros, Radio and all others played their hearts out and deserve credit.
I have to put this on public record..These were the words of the refs on our sidelines. NOT MINE THE REFS ON OUR SIDELINES! There were people on our sidelines that heard all of this that are not a part of our team but I doubt they will have the courage to come forward due to a loyalty to the friends they have on the Titans. My only hope is that the refs on our sidelines report this o their supervisors
#1 First Quarter we drive 99 yards to the one. We hand off to Ish Littleton who get's grabbed around the ankle just before he gets hit he flips it to Marvin Bronson for a TD. Side judge on our sideline signals TD whistle blows after the play. Refs get together and decide the play was blown dead even though it WAS NEVER BLOWN DEAD. I ask the ref and he says "Your right coach he wasn't down and the whistle didn't blow it was a TD but there's nothing I can do it was the white hats call" Result forced to kick a field goal. 7 points gone!
#2 Our WR gets knocked into the ref and he says loud enough for multiple players to hear " I hope he fu#@s you up next time to our player"
#3 We drive down and set up for a field goal on forth down. Whistle blows the play dead before the ball is snapped some kind of illegal procedure. On top of this they completely can our center after the whistle blows. Instead of moving it back five and doing it again because it was a dead ball penalty they give the ball to the Titans right there. I ask the ref "Is that the right call" He says "Coach I don't know what they did there..... it should have been five and play the down again, the other ref on our sideline confirms" Result loss of 3 points potentially!
#4 At least 5 holding penalties where the ref is pulling the flag out before the ball is snapped and then just throwing it into the center of the line and calling holding penalties. Ref on our sidelines just shakes his head!
#5 3rd and forever for Titans they throw a bomb my corner runs stride for stride with WR ball sails out of bounds play ends ref a few seconds later throws a flag (this was after a big meeting of the refs where they obviously realize that the intial call of pass interference was no good because the ball was un-catchable instead of picking up the flag and making the right call they change it to holding) . I ask the ref what he did wrong....... I describe the technique he used and how he has just as much right to the ball as the WR. Ref "You are right coach that was textbook but I didn't call it and there's nothing I can do"
#6 Marvin Bronson intercepts a ball in the back of the endzone starts to run it out ref blows play dead and says he was out of back of zone.....Refs on our sidelines thought he was in play!
#7 End of the game I say to the ref "This has been a total sham!" He says "Coach for the first time in my career I completely agree with the coaches on my sideline IT HAS!!!!!!"
Bottom line I dont believe we could have done anything to win that game tonight! If we would've scored they would've called it back! As we got closer to scoring position flags started flying and despite all of that we still were getting first downs in 3rd and 15 and 20 situations Their only score came on 25 yards in penalties and a 12 yard run!
This is 100% my last game in the NWFL I planned that before the season. I love HS Football and there are a few other opportunities out there potentially. Part of the reason I love other levels of football is that THIS NEVER WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN There would be an investigation and follow through.
I want to commend the refs on our sidelines for having the courage to say out loud that this was wrong and being done intentionally! I can't believe this actually happened.............. but it was every bit as bad as Remember the Titans..... there was just nobody to come out and put a stop to it! I hope they report this ( And I believe they will in addition to me) and something is done. I really think this was the last straw I think Mac and Dave have finally seen enough! It has been this way all year and the same refs doing it. This would not be happening in the NAFL/OFL or any other league for that matter and we owe our players an even playing field. I believe that this is the last game the Thunderbolts play in the NWFL. We all worked too hard to get rewarded like this.
I want to thank all of the players and coaches in our league! I have learned a lot from you all. I wish you all blessings and happiness in any and all future endeavors! This is not a reflection on any of you! We just aren't playing on an even playing field! We got into week 5 this year before we had a holding penalty called on the other team! And PS on the stat line for the game I want you to name the 10 penalties the Titans had for 80 yards!!!!!!!! They maybe had 5 penalties in the entire game. I could be wrong I am going to go back and review the game film closely!
I just cant accept the " I would be mad too" answer I get after the fact.......... it just isn't enough! The refs on our sideline said it all for us tonight and people heard what was said...... that is all I am going to say about this!