Set It Off ........

[Deepcover21]

Ever since the Hawks hit the field this year, they have been at the center of controversy about their roster and their players.
What you are about to see is the number of players who have played college ball on any level and beyond on the name of these teams.

T-Bolts ;19
Ravens ;16
Raiders ;11
Jags ;1

[Deepcover21]

Now the Bengals,Cavs,Saints,Buc's,and the Panthers don't have any rosters that tell were their players played at or at what level they played.
The reason I posted this is to show all of you that football is football no mater what, you just have to be prepared to play and play your best.
They put on their gear just like everyone else and they can be beat and the only team that can match up well is the T-Bolts with 19 former college players and the rest high school players I don't see why not .
Not every one on a roster is only out of high school.
Question; why did no one complain when the Mighty Jets did close to the same thing the Hawks are doing now?
2) A couple of teams in this league have dominated in one way or another so what's the fuss for(the T-Bolts and the Jets were trading back to back undefeated seasons in Jets in 93-94 and the Bolt's in 95-96 same as what the Hawks are trying to do this year for the first time in their history.
3)Was it classless when other teams were putting up large numbers in previous years including last year
( I wonder if that borders along the line of hypocrisy).
If this a game that we all love sssoooo much find a way to beat them instead of pelting them with the same firut that someone should have done to some of the dominate teams of the past.
If any of your teams were winning like they are would you complain?(think before you speak cause if you were in this league from early 90's on then more than likely you did dominate like the Hawks are trying to do ).
Shoudn't a dominate team make you guy's play harder cause you want to beat them , the challenge should drive you to win or at least try your best and at the end of the day if you win you feel that much stronger and if you lose at least you tried your best and held your head ssssoooo hi that they will remember you come playoff time and they will know they will have a war on their hands for 60 minutes..
With all of this being said it's time to give the Hawks the same respect that a lot of team gave dominate teams of the past their just due, play them hard and better and you might be suprise at the outcome in the end, remember there beatable and if you think you can't win or can't trade blow's with them then you have just lost half the battle and giving them an edge,but if you belive in your team and players and the coaches then the upset of the year just might happen.

[DSMITH]

Nicely said Deep.... Nicely said...

[C-Rob]

I got 2 words for you:

"Sam" "Adams"



THAT'S why everyone is making such a darn fuss about the Hawks. If ANYONE ELSE, just a regular Joe was coaching, people wouldn't be bitching about them.

[GGABRIEL]

In 1996 the T-bolts was not undefeated they loss to the Jets in the Regular season and in the playoffs . To were they play the 49ers in the championship and won . The T-bolts were undefeated in 88,89,90.98 I think this is right .Correct me if i'm wrong.

[jmoreno]

Here you go .. a little newsflash...
I am not sure you all have heard of a team called the
Rhino-Raider out of UT that just completly destroys their competition..
well for all you crying nenas (look it up under estrogen)
about the hawks having a few players that played college football... well take a look at this and then.. be quiet and play


2004 RHINO-RAIDER ROSTER
NAME/POSITION/HT-WT/HIGH SCHOOL or COLLEGE

1. Derrick Beatty DB 5-10/185 Weber State
2. Ryan Scadden QB/WR 6-2/220 Snow College
3. Rodney Frokjer P/K 6-1/180 Weber State
4. Norvel Young WR 6-0/185 Weber State
5. Fine Unga RB/DB 5-11/225 Weber State
6. Tony Wolfgramm DB 6-2/210 Dixie College
7. Rashad Kennedy WR 5-10/175 Weber State
8. Damon Greenberry WR 5-11/185 Weber State
9. Nate Miconi DB 6-1/220 Northern Arizona
11. Jed Davies DB 6-1/190 Weber State
12. Jamaal Peterson WR 6-2/180 Utah State
13. Dave Stireman QB 6-1/225 Weber State
14. Kuma Kano LB 5-10/210 Box Elder
15. Trevor Bell WR/DB 6-0/185 Idaho State
17. Tim Atkinson DB 6-0/185
19. James Owens WR 5-10/190 Fresno State
20. Ken Anderson DB 6-0/195 Roy
21. Ken Perkins DB 5-11/195 Weber State
22. Rob Morse RB 5-11/190 Bonneville
23. Kelvin Matthews FB 6-0/240 Weber State
24. Beau Etling RB 6-2/220 Snow College
25. Jay Tupe DB 5-11/215 Bonneville
28. Selu Alofipo RB 5-11/220 Louisiana Tech
30. Jake Phippen LB 5-11/230 Idaho
32. Chad Spendlove DB 5-10/185 Bonneville
33. Rodney Wilson LB 6-2/230 Utah State
35. Josh Christensen RB 5-11/230 Weber State
36. Ryan Mendoza DB 5-10/180 Ben Lomond
39. David Fiefia RB 5-9/195 Utah State
42. Kenyatta Green LB 6-2/235 Utah State
43. Mike Mecham LB 6-1/245 Snow College
44. Mike Pierce LB 6-1/240
48. Radford Kalekini FB 5-11/235
51. Gary Lucero OL 6-3/290 New Mexico
52. Manu Taeoalii DE 6-2/255 New Mexico Highlands
57. Phil Sotomayor OL 6-3/285 Weber State
58. Levine Tupe LB 6-0/235 Bonneville
60. Eric Mullen OL 6-0/290 Roy
61. Jordan Piene DL 6-1/260 Utah State
62. Walter Fiefia DL 6-2/300 Utah State
65. Mike Sanders DL 6-1/260
68. Sam Lamua OL 5-11/280
70. Eric Christiansen OL 6-7/325 Idaho
72. Travis Elliott OL 6-6/320 Ogden
73. Brady Gilbert OL 5-10/280
75. Nate Baptist OL 6-1/330 Ben Lomond
76. Todd Wheelwright OL 6-3/330 Weber State
77. Carl Silva OL 6-4/320 Weber State
78. Charles Kano OL 6-0/300 Snow College
80. Vaea Fiefia DL 6-2/255 Utah State
81. Clint Comer WR 6-2/185 Layton
84. Dave Comer WR 5-11/180 Layton
85. Mike Cook WR 6-3/200 Utah State
88. Rob Jolley WR 6-2/185 Cottonwood
92. Jay Ochsenbein DE 6-1/245 Roy
93. Cazzie Brown DT 6-2/285 Idaho State
95. Bill Nebeker DE 6-5/255 Roy
96. Reggie Jones DL 6-8/340 U.C. Berkeley
97. Shane Dooley DE 6-1/245 Roy
98. Willis Mickles DL 6-2/280 Ogden
99. Nick Fotu TE 6-4/245 Utah


Now can someone please find a reason to still cry....

www.dvla.gov.uk/other/complain.htm

[DaKineFourNine]

;D

The Rhino-Raiders have a disproportionate amount of Samoans on their roster therefore not only do they have a monopoly on the islander market but they have a strangle hold on the use of vowels in first and last names!

Therefore I propose a league rule minimizing the Samoans strictly to the Avalanche and Bengals while teams such as the Panthers may corner the market on the Hawaiians while the rest of the league may freely sign Filipinos and Mexicans at their leisure. A penalty should be enforced for the acquisition of the Portugese and I second the notion for Guy to cut his hair into a mullet. Lastly, in order to balance the use (or abuse, whatever perspective you prefer) of vowels I will motion that teams should be free to randomly insert vowels throughout their rosters.

In closing I leave this message of humor and hope no one takes it too personally (particularly the Portugese). I don't know about the rest of you, but some Kahlua pig with some poi sounds mighty tasty right about now.

Late,
DaKineFourNine
aka Arnie Otterbeck

[RAIDER90]

8-)LOL

[DSMITH]

Great post Jose, that’s a team that is preparing to try and win the big ring, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP RING. We have assembled our team to compete at the national level. We the HAWKS are here to win the BATTLES and the WAR.

DSMITH #6
Eastside Hawks

P.S. Jose, the Raiders are much bigger than they were last year, MUCH BIGGER. We just have to run faster. ;D

[onebigsole]

I don't know why people make a big deal out of the Hawks and their roster. The fact is I only know of two maybe three people on that list that I've heard of when they were playing in the college ranks....Jeremiah Pharms, Mac Tuiaea. Hell I've heard of some of the coaches too. Especially Sam Adams, "Big Poppa tha Run Stoppa", as he was dubbed at TX A&M. And then Mr. McCollum when he was in the League. But other than that everyone else just has college experience. Yes the Rhino-Raiders too have college experience up and down their roster but their not good because of that. Look at the schools....Cal-Berkeley is the only "Big School" that anyone of those guys went to. Dixie College?? Decent JUCO school. Most of them are Big Sky schools too!! But that's not the point. The point is, you either step on that field to play or look pretty. Playing eventually gets you looking pretty when you got that smile on your face from winning. Looking pretty gets you nothing more but a loss and "Keep your head up" from the coach, wife, other or whomever after the game. My point is, no one in this league is as stacked as people make them sound, such as how people make the Hawks sound like. Some teams just have personnel with more experience at the upper levels than other teams. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll win but it helps. But yes I would say too that people should just stop crying and just strap on the pads and just play. This league for me is just another opportunity to have fun doing something I love. Everyone should play and have fun. Everything falls into place then.

[moose77]

"In 1996 the T-bolts was not undefeated they loss to the Jets in the Regular season and in the playoffs . To were they play the 49ers in the championship and won . The T-bolts were undefeated in 88,89,90.98 I think this is right .Correct me if i'm wrong."

Right, the Jets defeated the Thunderbolts in the first round of the 1996 playoffs in just horrible conditions at some high school in Portland (sorry, I forget which one). The mud was unbelieveable! The next week, the Jets won the Pacific Football League North Division title by defeating the Federal Way 49ers at the King County Fairgrounds in Enumclaw. We then travelled in late November to Fresno to have our heads handed to us by the Bandits in the PFL title game 44-20.

Still, not bad for a team that started out 0-6!

[Deepcover21]

Sorry but you guy's are all wrong the T-Bolts lost two games but only one to the Jets...
They lost to the Fresno Bandits and the score was 27-12 then they lost to the Jet's in the playoffs 18-16 so their fore they were undefeted whithin our league during the regular season cause any non-league games dose not count( READ THE ARCHIVES PLEASE CAUSE ANY TEAM IN BLUE STANDS AS A NON-LEAGUE TEAM.....) and even though they lost during the season they did not lose a league game until the playoff so I guess that makes them 12-0 for the season right before the playoffs.
They beat the Jets Twice and the scores against the Jets were 21-7 and 45-23 and that was during the regular season......
As I said before no one has a right to complain about the Hawks or their team and as for someone using Sam Adams as an excuse remember Ron Baines was drafted in 1969 by the Buffalo Bills in the 10th round at 235th and he also came in this same league that Sam Adams brought a team into to try and win a natioal title.....

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[coachfentress]

DeepCover.

I don't know where you got your information but the T-Bolts, which I help coach, are about as green as a winning team can be. We have maybe four-five players with four years of college experience and none at a major college. We have a handful of others who played sparingly at small colleges or JCs. Our starting offense has two players that played four years in college and one is 45 years old. The ex-PSU players we have didn't letter there.

The Raiders might have "just" 11 college players but two of them - Prescott and Lunde - played at OSU and WSU and alone are more talented and experienced than all of our former college players.

The Hawks roster is just LOADED from top to bottom with former college, NFL, CFL and AFL players. They are clearly the best team in the league.

[bull7058]

In the midst of all this mess, everyone is forgetting or not mentioning a certain surging team who has strung together alot of consecutive W's. Dont sleep!

[bull7058]

Oh yeah, one more thing. Even though the Hawks have a great squad, they havent come close to matching the accomplishments of the Puget Sound Jets. 2 National Championships (2000 and 2002), and another undefeated team that was ranked number 1 in the Nation in at least one poll in 1993. The Hawks are still seeking their first National Championship. The Jets had several undefeated seasons, the Hawks are still seeking their first. So even though the Hawks are a great up and coming squad, they have alot of cathing up to do.

[justjohn]

You are correct, the Hawks have not achieved in two seasons what the Jets achieved in 12.

To be fair though, the 1st 3 years of the Hawks should only be compared to the 1st 3 years of the Jets.

After 3 seasons the Jets were 13-15, and 0-2 in the playoffs.

After 3 seasons the Hawks are 24-3, and will be anywhere from 2-2 to 4-1 in the playoffs, with at least one, and possibly 2 league championships.

The Jets didn't win a playoff game or league championship until their 4th season.

When just comparing the 1st 3 years of each franchise, the Hawks have been more successful.

In years 4-12, the Jets played in all 9 league championships, winning 7 of them. Their regular season record was 77-14 (85%) and their playoff record was 16-2 (89%). It will be quite an accomplishment for the Hawks to match that pace.

[bigrob]

Yup!!!!!!The best team money can buy!

[DSMITH]

Bull....Sing This.... ;D

Well we're movin on up,
To the east side.
To a deluxe apartment in the sky.
Movin on up
To the east side.
We finally got a piece of the pie.

Fish don't fry in the kitchen;
Beans don't burn on the grill.
Took a whole lotta tryin'
Just to get up that hill.
Now we're up in the big leagues
Gettin' our turn at bat.
As long as we live, it's you and me baby
There ain't nothin wrong with that.

Well we're movin on up,
To the east side.
To a deluxe apartment in the sky.
Movin on up
To the east side.
We finally got a piece of the pie.

undefeat 10-0 Regular Season

DSMITH #6
Eastside Hawks

P.S. We have a lot of gas in the tank left.

[bull7058]

;DHey Arnold Jackson #6 of the Hawks, sing this

Everybodies got a special kind of story
Everybodies got a way to shine
It dont matter what you got
not alot
So they got theirs you got yours and I got mine
It takes Different strokes!

Naw for real though, you guys are a great team, I hope we get a chance to strap it up against ya'll.

Peace!

[majix77]

Bull and D- Smith I need you to sing this song with gusto. Sing from your Heart

Here a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note-for-note
Don't worry, be happy
In every life we have some trouble
But when you worry, you make it double
Don't worry, be happy Don't worry, be happy now

[bull7058]

Magic, we homies and everything, but that was garbage.

[bull7058]

John, a reply for you is that the Jets have really put this league on the map. They are the only team to go from coast to coast beating the he!! out of people. We made a team from New York cry in 2000 . The Jets have scattered throughout the league to make things interesting again. Imagine if every Jet player from 2000-present still had a team. Very Dangerous.

[justjohn]

Bull7058 said:

The Jets have really put this league on the map. They are the only team to go from coast to coast beating the he!! out of people.

Yes they did, but I'm not sure they contributed to 'putting this league on the map' more than the Auburn Panthers or Oregon Thunderbolts before them.

I'm don't understand how the Jets three out of state trips count more than the out of state trips of the Panthers (3?), Thunderbolts (3) or Hawks (2). Heck, the Vikings went halfway across the Pacific Ocean to represent this league.

nwfootball.net/usa/

[bull7058]

Oregon, Utah, Illinois, New York, and Florida. We beat them all. 3 WERE undefeated league champs.